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POSTED JULY 20, 2009
July 20, 2009

PICK YOUR POISON: Some thoughts on ‘THE 5 DEADLY VENOMS’

When director Chang Cheh first devised the concept for Mm duk (literally: Five Poisons), he had no ambition beyond recreating the success he had enjoyed with his earlier martial arts epics, on which he had collaborated with choreographers Lau Kar-leung (aka Liu Chia-liang) and Tong Guy (aka Tang Chia.) To this end, he enlisted the services of another bona fide kung fu master, Dr Leung Ting, to devise the various fighting methods of ‘The 5 Deadly Venoms.’

I worked for Dr Leung when I first came to Hong Kong, helping him edit the English version of his voluminous encyclopedia of Wing Chun (or, as he spells it, Wing Tsun) kung fu. He is a colourful character. At 3 in the afternoon, we repaired to a Kowloonside karaoke bar, the kind of place you’d normally find yourself at 3am. After belting out a few tunes for the bemused (ahem) ‘hospitality ladies,’ it would be back to work…

Leung Ting was constantly visited by kung fu exponents from Mainland China, and he would invariably drag me with him to his neighbouring mo gwoon for an impromptu sparring match. (These guys were invariably two sizes smaller than me, and Leung seemed to take great pleasure out of my kicking them around, at his insistence, even though I was never one of his students.)

On another occasion, he made me pose for newspaper photos demonstrating how some kung fu masters faked their demonstrations of chi power. For some reason, he had me hold a water melon on my head, while he hacked it with a machete. Of course, he almost sliced one of my fingers off in the process… “You moved, damn it!” he cried. “Did not!” I retorted, as the blood flowed.

As well as being a genuine Wing Chun master, Dr Leung was (and is) a living repository on information about Chinese martial arts and their surrounding culture. He drew on this rich heritage when designing the relevant fighting styles for the Venoms.

The Centipede combined the hand movements of Northern Praying Mantis with Northern Leg kicking techniques.

With the Snake, Leung was careful to avoid comparison with the movements seen in Jackie Chan’s Snake in the Eagle’s Shadow, released earlier the same year. His snake features a two fingers extended gesture found in the Hung Kuen Ten Animals Fist, combined with a unique ‘ground slithering’ movement.

The Scorpion focuses on kicking techniques that supposedly resemble the tail of the insect. These are actually the Taekwondo kicks with which the actor playing Scorpion, Suen Kin, aka Sun Chien, was already familiar. (Lau Kar-leung made a similar choice when devising a Scorpion style for the film Operation Scorpio, hiring Korean super kicker Kim Won-jin to play the eponymous villain.)

The Lizard employs Light Body chi gung or hei gong, a staple of the kung fu novels popular in Hong Kong during the ‘60s and ‘70s. The principle behind this was that a practitioner could develop his internal energy to the extent that he could defy gravity. There was also a more pragmatic style, gecko kung fu, which saw its exponents mount the walls of a narrow alley with their feet pressed against opposing walls, using sheer leg strength. The cinematic Lizard combines these skills.

The Toad is a master of ngan or ‘hard’ chi gung, and so immune to blows from ordinary weapons. Kung fu masters used to perform these feats in the street for money. This is the same skill employed by Wong Fei-hung’s nemesis, Iron Robe, in ‘Once Upon A Time In China,’ and you can see Dustin Nguyen’s character perform the Vietnamese equivalent in the Dragon Dynasty release The Rebel.

Leung worked with Chang Cheh again, most memorably on Invincible Shaolin and Ten Tigers of Kwantung, but these films seemed a weak copy of the styles first brought to the screen by Lau and Tang. With Venoms, Leung Ting created something unique; a style of movie combat which proved to be more influential than he could possibly have imagined.

On its first release in Hong Kong, The 5 Deadly Venoms was no blockbuster. It took on a life of its own when distributed in North America by World Northal, where it was seen by RZA (hence the samples in various Wu Tang Clan tracks), by Quentin Tarantino (hence the Deadly Viper Assassination Squad in ‘Kill Bill’), by a New York Bluegrass band who called themselves… The Five Deadly Venoms.

Someone who did catch it on its first release was director Kirk Wong (whose Crime Story is a DD release). Kirk has been threatening a remake for several years now, and had at one stage assembled an eclectic cast including RZA, Maggie Q, Edison Chen, Gordon Liu and Andy Lau. I remember asking Lau about the project at the premiere of Battle of the Warriors (aka Battle of Wits), and he asked me if westerners could understand the concepts behind The 5 Deadly Venoms. I told him that the film was more popular with young Americans than with Hong Kong kids. Though that incarnation of the remake never came to pass, Kirk is still planning to make the film, with An Empress & Her Warriors star Donnie Yen in the lead.

As for Dr. Leung Ting, he’s alive, well and still hitting the headlines. I worked for him as an actor (ha!) in a film called ‘It’s a Mad Mad Mad Mad Kung Fu World’ (and, if you agree to be in a movie with a title like that, you deserve whatever happens to you…) Like everything with Leung, it was fun and an education. I’d like to thank him publicly for giving me a job when I needed one, and for giving kung fu cinema a new poison just when we needed that…


Comments


That was an excellent blog Bey Logan about The 5 Deadly Venoms!I like the history of the legendary famous Shaw Brothers director Chang Cheh he is one of the best directors from Shaw Brothers. I am very excited that it's being released.
- Cory, Lake Charles,Louisiana | 2009-07-20 23:44:25
I had wondered when another post would become available. It is good to see you back and I hope that DD is able to release more Shaw Brothers titles (Soon!), even if they lack the extra content and special features. I really want to experience the movie as intended and have all of the content available for a product including excellent sights and sounds restored to former glory. I do appreciate the commentary and time permitting, I return and enjoy the movie with the knowledge that an informative trip will soon depart (commentary subtitles would help but not at the cost of missing the feature). We need to see DD put out these titles before your competitors try to move in on your territory! I only need to get full - not surfeit to enjoy the movie. Cheers!
- 107, Pueblo | 2009-07-21 16:52:03
Bey, always a joy to read your blog posts! Thanks for another informative and enjoyable one about a super cool film. Can't wait to pick this DD DVD up!
- Kung Fu Bob, PA | 2009-07-23 00:18:08
THE FIVE DEALY VENOMS is possibly THE best kung Fu film of ALL time...Certainly one of the most INFLUENTIAL... For years, i thought about doing a remake of The five deadly Venoms...I'm surprised Hollywood hasn't done it yet... FDV is like "THE USUAL SUSPECTS" of KUNG FU MOVIES...
- Breedlowe, DFW | 2009-07-24 14:39:21
Great post Bey! Have you met any of the more obscure Venoms? I imagine Phillip Kwok and Lo Meng are easy to find but where are Lu Feng and Sun Chien?
- Ian Whittle, England | 2009-07-25 16:13:14
Awesome blog, Bey. Keep up the good work.
- Junior, Dover, NH | 2009-07-31 15:55:47
I always enjoy reading little stories from your past or hearing stuff through the commentaries. You're very knowledgeable and a great writer. I however am not overly excited for a remake of the great Five Deadly Venoms. If it's not broken, there is no need to fix it. It's the same with other movies from the past where they try and remake it for the now generation, but really they do not need to be remade. I'm only 23 years old, I wasn't even born when Five Deadly Venoms came out and it still ranks up in my Top 10 Kung Fu flicks to this day. It's cool that they want to remake a classic, but with most remakes of any genre, it most likely won't live up to the original. That's my two cents though, to each their own.
- Zac Grills, Ontario, Canada | 2009-08-04 09:07:08
Personally speaking I've always preferred the deliriously enjoyable Magnificent Ruffians (aka The Destroyers) which I feel is the best of all the venoms films. However I do think that the Five Venoms was a great introductory vehicle for all involved and encapsulated the perfect balance between plot and action.
- Gav, UK | 2009-08-07 14:57:07
You are a minor profit life in and in skill.DR.Leung Ting u are a man who allways be rememberd and never forgoten. p.s.You take care Dr.Ting
- James Briseno, Ukiah C.A | 2009-08-09 03:01:49
Wow, I heard Wu Jing was heading up the remake of five venoms. Will he be in it with Donnie? That would be too cool for words. They were so good together in kill zone! Keep us in the know Bay!!
- YojimboTJ, HERMON ME | 2009-08-16 09:54:35
Thank you Master!
- Theodore Wirth, Denville, NJ USA | 2009-08-19 08:45:33
I picked up 5 venoms today from Best Buy. I went outside to my car and got a parking ticket! Sorta ruined my day after being happy i got the DVD. Keep up the gook work Bey! I can't wait for the next Shaw release!
- Jon F., Palm Desert , CA | 2009-08-19 22:14:58
I'm glad someone's going to remake it. If I had the money, I'd remake it.
- Jeff Oliver, Ft. Worth, TX | 2009-08-21 19:30:58
Excellent little report, Bey! Kirk Wong should just retire now--The Big Hit was a MAJOR guilty pleasure at best and to threaten a remake starring a random cast like that should be grounds for 40 lashes or something.
- Andy, Romero's home state | 2009-08-24 09:32:46
I can assure you the Venoms Fandom is VERY much alive. http://fivedeadlyvenoms.cjb.net . Your work Mr.Logan not just on this project but the many dozens of MA films and bringing them to light for the next genreations does NOT go un-noticed. It is appreciated. Thank you for taking the time to research and blog about my favorite MA film groupe of all. All the best
- VenomsFan, USA | 2009-08-25 15:51:20
This is one of the best martial arts films ever made.
- El Shaborn / Centerpide, Phila. | 2009-08-28 15:03:28
A clasic and I can still remember the first time I seen it. It came on WGN in Chicago during prime time at 7 PM. The only Kung Fu Flick to ever do that. I hope the right people read this. All of the hit Venom Movies need to be digitally remastered. Kid with the golden arms, Masked Avengers, Magnificent Ruffians AKA The Destroyers, Crippled Avengers AKA Return of the 5 deadly Venoms, Flag of Iron, Invincible Shaolin, Killer Army, 2 Champions of shaolin and Avenging warriors from shaolin AKA Shaolin Rescuers. Ninja in the deadly trap also. These next 3 movies actually go together but you have to watch them to figure that out: Men from the monastery, death chmbers and 5 masters of death. I had all of these movies on VHS and have bought them on DVD and will rebuy them all if they get digitally remastered!!!!!!!
- Allen Mallory, The US military stationed in germany | 2009-09-01 16:21:28
the venoms and mortal kombat, true classics. every saturday, from 3-5 all us neighborhood kids would dissappear for 2 hours to watch our kung fu flicks. good old days
- oscar, sacramento, ca | 2009-09-06 10:25:18
I'm glad that Dragon Dynasty was able to release such a quality copy of The Five Deadly Venoms. I also loved your commentary Bey, it was very informative and a testimony as to why I love the various Dragon Dynasty releases of some great films!
- Turhan Gushiniere, Jackson, Ms. | 2009-09-07 21:07:34
The 5 venoms kick ass with class.
- duffy, london | 2009-09-10 01:12:43
Please release 5 venoms in the UK
- Dave, Wales UK. | 2009-09-12 01:49:29
I would watch movies on Samurai Sunday channel Super 66 over the air here in Chicago. Great memories, and good times.
- Omar Juarez, Chicago | 2009-09-15 21:29:03
Hello, it really interesting, thanks
- CarpThealeCex, | 2009-10-11 20:57:49
Allen M. on this post covered most of the releases we hope to be released soon. One that I didn't see was Super Ninja (with the five elements) starring the incredible Lo Meng. Thanks Dragon Dynasty.
- Fabian, Dallas, TX. | 2009-10-26 12:37:24

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